Bush II's “Israeli Channel 1” Interview

Timothy Horrigan, August 15, 2005

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On the second weekend of August, during his brief five-week vacation at the imperial ranch in Crawford Texas, Emperor Bush made a remarkable statement and a couple of remarkable non-statements. The media paid relatively little attention to both the statements and non-statements.

The first non-statement was not at all surprising. He continued to refuse to say anything about Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a fallen soldier who has become an outspoken antiwar activist and who is demanding to speak with the Emperor. She is camping out near the ranch, waiting for Bush to explain why her son died in Iraq. (Bush II's handlers have, however, produced documents showing that she actually did meet him briefly in 2004— and, we are supposed to infer, she is a whiner who had her chance already and blew it.) The second non-statement was slightly less unsurprising, though it was definitely not exactly surprising. One of Bush II's neighbors, Larry Mattlage, fired his shotgun at Ms. Sheehan and a group of her fellow demonstrators. It was just a warning shot in the air, but this was still a rather noteworthy act of political violence. Mattlage's explanation was “This Is Texas.” He was not arrested or even warned. Bush II had no comment.

Bush II's positive statement (as opposed to a non-statement) came in an interview with Yaron Deckel of Channel 1, the main Israeli TV network. In this interview, he portrayed Israel and America as the forces of Good who would lead the fight against Evil in the Middle East. He strongly hinted that a war against Iran is imminent. The rationale for this war is that Iran has a nuclear weapons program— which is ironic because Israel has a nuclear program of its own (and of course the USA is the first and still the most dangerous nuclear power. In fact, almost exactly 60 years to the day before this interview, we actually dropped a couple of nukes on Japan.)

He closed the interview by saying that he planned to visit Israel before his term was over: he stated “I hope to visit and proclaim success as a result of a bold decision that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has made, and I think I'll be able to do that.”

The statement which is likely to anger Bush II's allies in the Arab world came a little bit before the end:

My latest information is that the Iranians refuse to comply with the demands of the free world, which is: do not in any way, shape or form have a program that could yield to a nuclear weapon. And the United States and Israel are united in our objective to make sure that Iran does not have a weapon.

If Iran does not meet the US and Israel's demands, Bush II is prepared to use force “as a last resort in order to secure the country [note: he didn't say which country] and to provide the opportunity for people to live in free societies.”

There is still a lot of anti-Israeli sentiment in the Arab world and in the Islamic world in general. Bush II's remarks about joining forces with Israel to make war against Iran (which, admittedly, is not technically an Arab country per se) would be badly timed at best, given what has been going on in Iraq (and in Israel itself as well.)

Finally, it is ironic that Bush II commented that “it's difficult for the Commander-in-Chief to put kids in harm's way. Nevertheless, I have been willing to do so as a last resort in order to secure the country and to provide the opportunity for people to live in free societies.” It is not just ironic because Cindy Sheehan is camped out outside his house waiting to ask him why her kid had to die. It is also ironic because his own kids are so conspicuously not in harm's way— and in fact are about as much a part of the war effort as Paris Hilton is.

Although a few soundbites made it onto Saturday newscasts, the Channel 1 interview got very little coverage. No video was made available on WhiteHouse.gov. (It didn't even turn up on CSpan.) For more info visit the official White House web page:

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
August 12, 2005

Interview of the President by Israeli Television Channel 1
By Yaron Deckel, Israeli Television Channel 1
Bush Ranch, Crawford, Texas

August 11, 2005

7:17 A.M. CDT

Q Mr. President, thank you very much for the first interview granted to Israeli TV and for hosting us in your beautiful ranch in Texas.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, welcome, thanks for coming. It's an honor to have you here and it's an honor to speak on Israeli TV.

Q I understand why you like this place better than the White House.

We are on the eve of the disengagement and you have expressed your full support in disengagement, trying to help Prime Minister Sharon in his struggle. And I would like to ask why is it so important to you, Mr. President?

THE PRESIDENT: First of all, let me speak about my relationship with Prime Minister Sharon, if you don't mind. We've grown close, and one of the reasons why is I appreciate a person who when he says something, means it. And I hope he appreciates that about me. In other words, I said early on we're going to join in fighting terror so that Israel could be secure and America secure and other free nations secure.

Secondly -- and I have, and he knows I keep my word and I know he keeps his word. Secondly, what I appreciate is somebody who thinks boldly for peace. And Ariel Sharon came to the White House and said we're going to disengage from the Gaza. And I was struck by what a bold decision that was. And the disengagement is, I think, a part of making Israel more secure and peaceful and I agree with the Prime Minister.

It's important because the United States is a strong ally of Israel and, therefore, if you're a strong ally, you want there to be peace for your ally.

Q You know, the main concern of Israel is that the disengagement might lead not to more security, but, on the contrary, to more violence. Do you understand the concerns?

THE PRESIDENT: Oh, absolutely, I understand. And I can understand why people think this decision is one that will create a vacuum into which terrorism will flow. I happen to disagree. I think this will create an opportunity for democracy to emerge. And democracies are peaceful. And, therefore, it's very important for the United States, as an active participant in this process, to encourage the formation of security forces that will defeat terror, just like the road map calls for -- these are Palestinian security forces -- and to encourage the Palestinians to develop a peaceful state.

Q You had announced that you will support the disengagement by some aid the administration will provide Israel to develop the northern and southern -- the Galilee and the Negev.

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

Q Has any decision been made regarding this issue?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, I did say when the Prime Minister was here that the Negev and Galilee present great opportunities for economic development. And we understand that. So I'm going to send teams over to assess the opportunities available for the United States to help Israel. And they'll report back to me. But we have made no focus yet on specific budget items.

Q Mr. President, are you troubled by the fierce opposition Prime Minister Sharon, your partner, is facing in his own camp, in the Likud Party? According to the polls, he might lose because of the disengagement.

THE PRESIDENT: First of all, on democracy there's going to be dissent. And, secondly, the Prime Minister has made a very strong, bold decision. And I can understand why people are debating the issue. But I'm confident he's made the right decision. And I can also assure the Israeli people the decision he made has brought the United States and Israel even closer together.

Q Have you any opinion about Mr. Netanyahu, who stands to succeed him and now is leading the opposition?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I met Bibi Netanyahu -- of course, he's well known in the United States -- he's going to make the decision he thinks is necessary for Israel's good, and there's just a disagreement between two friends. But I believe the decision that Prime Minister Sharon has made and is going to follow through on will be good for Israel.

Q And why are you so sure it's going to lead to more security?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, it's an opportunity -- first of all, the previous system wasn't working. I mean, there was an intifada, there was death, there was killing. And if you notice, there's been a calm in attacks. One attack is too many, but there's been fewer attacks. And I think in the long run, two states living side-by-side in peace is the ultimate solution for Israeli's security.

In the meantime, we've got to work to dismantle terrorist organizations and that's precisely what the road map calls for.

Q How urgent is it that Mr. Abbas take more actions against terrorism? How urgent is it? Because you said that it's not enough, what they have done so far.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think -- and I've told that to the Prime Minister Abbas -- or President Abbas. He's a strong -- he strongly understands the need to dismantle terrorists. He knows that a democracy can't exist so long as you've got armed groups willing to take law in their own hands. And he's committed to a democratic state. And we've got work to do with him. And that's why we've got a general on the ground there that's helping to try train and coordinate Palestinian forces to fight off the terrorists who would want to stop the process for peace.

Q But would you accept a permanent cease-fire with the Hamas movement, for instance?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, you know, Hamas is on the terrorist group.

Q He made a cease-fire with them.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, he's elected by the Palestinians. I am not. On the other hand, I can express my opinions to him, which I have. And I don't believe you can have a peaceful, democratic state with armed groups willing to take the law in their own hands.

Q As a believer, Mr. President, what do you say to Jewish believers who think that God sent them to settle in the biblical Israel and they will not obey any decision of elected government?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, you know, there are admonitions in the Bible that does talk about the role of government relative to man. And Israel is a democracy and democracies are able to express the will of the people. The Prime Minister is expressing what he thinks is in the best interests of Israel and the people will decide, ultimately, whether or not that decision makes sense.

Q You know, things in the Middle East constantly change. And nobody predicted the U.S. will start dialogue with the PLO in the '80s, and then Prime Minister -- late Prime Minister Rabin signing an accord with Yasser Arafat. Do you see any similar development with the Hamas in the future?

THE PRESIDENT: Here's what I see. I see relations with a peaceful Palestinian state that is run by -- that is founded on democratic institutions. That's what I believe can happen -- and should happen. I mean, in order to ultimately defeat terror -- whether it be in Palestinian territories or Iraq or Iran -- there must be open, transparent societies based upon rule of law.

Q Your time frame was a Palestinian state in 2005. Would you like to update the time frame, Mr. President?

THE PRESIDENT: I think Israel -- the people of Israel must understand that now is an opportunity for the Palestinians to show leadership and self-government in Gaza. And that's why my focus is intensely upon Gaza. We hope that the disengagement goes well. And we understand that once Israel has withdrawn, it's now up to the Palestinians to show the world that they can self-govern in a peaceful way.

Q You said that once the disengagement is carried out, both sides will help together to the road map to meet their obligations. And Prime Minister Sharon vowed that there will be no political progress until the Palestinians will act forcefully against terrorism. Do you share this view with him?

THE PRESIDENT: Here's the way I view it. One, I think that the road map does call for dismantling terrorist organizations. And, secondly, I think -- I know that the disengagement from Gaza presents an opportunity for a Palestinian state which is peaceful to begin to grow. In other words, it goes to show that -- that there's a chance to show the Israelis and the Palestinians that there's a better life ahead. And in order to do that in Gaza -- in Gaza --

Q So the burden is upon the Palestinians once the disengagement is over?

THE PRESIDENT: I think the burden is on -- everybody has got obligations. You know, obviously, the peaceful withdrawal by Israelis from the Gaza is part of the burden. The terrorists -- dismantling terrorist organizations is part of the burden. I think the --

Q Should it be the first -- the first step before anything other happens?

THE PRESIDENT: Gaza?

Q The dismantling of the terrorist organizations?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that's a part of a process. You see, dismantling a terrorist organization is not only taking arms and isolating terrorists, but it's also showing the Palestinians and the Israelis that a peaceful state can emerge. This is what the opportunity is. And that's why I think that Prime Minister Sharon's decision was so bold.

But we have a -- let me finish the obligations. Israelis have obligations, the Palestinians have obligations. The United States has an obligation. That's why Mr. Wolfensohn and our general on the ground is there, to help establish the institutions necessary for a peaceful state to emerge. Arab nations have got obligations now -- one, to not incite violence. Two, to help isolate and bring to justice terrorists. And, three, to provide funds to help these -- the Gaza to become a place of prosperity and peace.

Q You mentioned Iran and I wonder, Mr. President, how imminently is the Iranian threat? There was a release lately of the U.S. intelligence that they won't have any capability in the next 10 years. Is this your latest information, Mr. President?

THE PRESIDENT: My latest information is that the Iranians refuse to comply with the demands of the free world, which is: do not in any way, shape or form have a program that could yield to a nuclear weapon. And the United States and Israel are united in our objective to make sure that Iran does not have a weapon. And in this particular instance, the EU 3 -- Britain, France and Germany -- have taken the lead, been helping to send the message, a unified message to the Iranians.

Look, in all these instances we want diplomacy to work. And so we're working feverishly on the diplomatic route. And, you know, we'll see if we're successful or not. As you know, I'm --

Q And if not?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, all options are on the table.

Q Including use of force?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, you know, as I say, all options are on the table. The use of force is the last option for any President. You know, we've used force in the recent past to secure our country. It's a difficult -- it's difficult for the Commander-in-Chief to put kids in harm's way. Nevertheless, I have been willing to do so as a last resort in order to secure the country and to provide the opportunity for people to live in free societies.

Q I won't be finishing this interview without asking you about your decision in Iraq. Knowing what you know today, you made the right decision, Mr. President?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes. I did. The world is safer without Saddam Hussein in power.

Q Is it?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes. Absolutely. Saddam Hussein -- you know, we made the decision on a lot of factors. One factor, of course, is that the world thought he had weapons of mass destruction -- not just the United States, but the entire world. I went to the United Nations. The United Nations unanimously passed a resolution that said to Saddam Hussein: disarm or face serious consequences. Once again, he defied the world.

But we also made the case that Saddam Hussein had terrorist ties. Abu Nidal was in Iraq. Zarqawi, the man who's inflicting so much murder and chaos on innocent Iraqis, was in Iraq. Saddam Hussein was an enemy of the United States -- enemy of a lot of countries. And there's no doubt in my mind that we're safer as a result of him not being in power. And there's no doubt in my mind that a democratic Iraq will be a part of a change in the broader Middle East that will lay the foundations for peace.

You know, a lot of the world says, well, unless you are a certain type of person you can't live in a free society. I strongly disagree with that. I believe that imbedded into everybody's soul is the desire to live in freedom. That's what I believe, that there is an Almighty and the Almighty plants a sense of being free. Therefore, if given a chance, people will live in a free society -- and free societies are peaceful societies.

Q Any plans to visit in the state of Israel? I know you were there as a governor of Texas.

THE PRESIDENT: I was. (Laughter.)

Q What mostly impressed you in the Holy Land?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, I'll never forget waking up in the hotel and seeing this golden shine on the Old City. It was just -- and I remember waking up Laura, I said, "Laura, you're not going to believe -- you're not going to believe this fantastic sight."

The other thing, of course, that sticks in my mind was the helicopter tour I took of the West Bank -- and my guide was Ariel Sharon. It was one of the great ironies of all time. I was a governor, he was in the cabinet. And he said, "Would you like to take a helicopter ride?" to me. Governor Cellucci, who went on to be the ambassador to Canada, and Governor Leavitt, who is now in my Cabinet, and Governor Racicot, the four of us. We said, sure, and we got in the chopper and the tour guide was Ariel Sharon as we choppered all throughout the West Bank.

Q Will you visit again?

THE PRESIDENT: I'd love to visit again sometime.

Q In your term?

THE PRESIDENT: I hope so. And I hope to visit and proclaim success as a result of a bold decision that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has made, and I think I'll be able to do that.

Q Mr. President, I do thank you very much for this interview and for your time.

THE PRESIDENT: Thanks for coming.

END 7:36 A.M. CDT

Text from: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050812-2.html